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#0618sva – Rob Bell’s Recipe for Spiritual Disaster

Rob Bell’s Recipe for Spiritual Disaster


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Rob Bell speaks at a forum hosted by Grace Cathedral in San Francisco on Sunday (Facebook)

In the midst of his announcement on Sunday that he now supports same-sex marriage, Rob Bell warned American evangelicals to “adapt or die.”

His counsel, intended to be helpful, is actually a guaranteed formula for failure and a proven recipe for disaster. In fact, the only way for us to make a lasting impact on the culture and maintain a relevant witness to society is to do the opposite of what Bell advised.

Over the last few years Bell, a best-selling author and former megachurch pastor, has steadily distanced himself from the mainstream evangelical community. Known for asking provocative questions and challenging the status quo, he amassed a large following that has been drawn to his non-dogmatic approach—an approach I call a “celebration of ambiguity.”

To paraphrase this approach: Rather than the leader saying, “This is the way. It is proven and sure. Follow me,” the leader now says, “Who am I to know? How can anyone be sure? Isn’t it narrow and small-minded of us to be so inflexible and dogmatic?”

Somehow, young people in particular have rallied around this mindset, a mindset that has already lost its way before it even starts. Yet losing one’s way is celebrated, too: “The destination is not important,” we are told. “It’s the journey that matters!”

Personally, I would rather enjoy a terrible journey to heaven than a lovely journey to hell. Speaking of which, Bell’s 2011 New York Times best-seller Love Wins represented another departure from the evangelical mainstream. In the book, Bell suggested that, to a great extent, hell is here and now, and in the end, everybody will make it into God’s heavenly kingdom.

Last year, speaking at a church gathering  in California, Bell stated his belief that you could be a practicing homosexual and a follower of Jesus at the same time, encouraging his listeners to take their focus off of gay-related issues and to look instead at the “truly big problems in our world; that I believe Jesus would [have] us to band together, and tackle together.”

In light of this, it was hardly a surprise when he announced on Sunday during a Q&A session: “I am for marriage. I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think the church needs … this is the world we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are.”

Of course, Bell is right that, to an extent, “the ship has sailed,” and affirming same-sex “marriage” is now the politically “in” thing to do, as witnessed by the recent statements of former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Rob Portman and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

But what in the world does that have to do with right and wrong? If society has lost its moral bearings, should the church lose its moral bearings as well? Shouldn’t we rather swim against the tide of popular opinion and call the world to turn around?

And since when do we drag down the teachings of Jesus, which were marked by divine authority and absoluteness, to meet the standard of “the world we are living in?” Aren’t we supposed to challenge the world to live up to the standards of the Lord?

Bell said on Sunday, “I think we are witnessing the death of a particular subculture that doesn’t work. I think there is a very narrow, politically intertwined, culturally ghettoized, evangelical subculture that was told, ‘We’re gonna change the thing.’ and they haven’t. And they actually have turned away lots of people. And I think that when you’re in a part of a subculture that is dying, you make a lot more noise because it’s very painful. You sort of die or you adapt.”

Without a doubt, Bell is right that in many ways the evangelical church has fallen out of touch with the nation, and to the extent we can be culturally sensitive and “understand the times” (see 1 Chr. 12:32), we make an impact. On the other hand, Bell is completely wrong when he warns, “You sort of die or you adapt.”

In the days of the Maccabees, did the Jewish people survive the onslaught of Hellenism by adapting to paganism, with all its worldly appeal, or did they overcome by resisting at any cost, thereby demonstrating the power of their convictions? Did the early church survive the polytheism of Rome by bowing to the emperor, or did they overcome by refusing to compromise, even to the point of death, thereby pointing to a better life?

Remarkably, on Sunday, when the forum moderator tried to get Bell to take a firm position as to whether Christians ‘know’ the truth in some ultimate sense, Bell took the discussion in a completely different direction.

But that is the very heart of the problem. Bell’s celebration of ambiguity has become a dogmatism of uncertainty, and it is because of his lack of spiritual absolutes that he has wandered off the path, leading a generation in his wake.

The truth is that 100 years from now, either in this world or the world to come, history will record that those who conformed their beliefs to the culture were nothing more than a passing curiosity, while those who refused to compromise truth will be regarded as the spiritual heroes and torchbearers.

In the words of Charles Spurgeon, “Character is always lost when a high ideal is sacrificed on the altar of conformity and popularity.”

Michael Brown is the author of The Real Kosher Jesus and the host of the nationally syndicated talk radio show The Line of Fire on the Salem Radio Network. He is also president of FIRE School of Ministry and director of the Coalition of Conscience.

#0616sva – Joel Osteen & Oprah Teach Heresy

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Apostasy Alert: Joel Osteen And Oprah Preach New Age Magic

Joel Osteen is once again teaching his New Age heresy.

Following in the footsteps of Bishop T.D. Jakes, Prosperity Gospel preacher Joel Osteen, Pastor of Lakewood Church, the biggest congregation in America, has now joined Oprah Winfrey’s life classes to teach New Age heresy to the masses. Once again, a Christian pastor has come on Winfrey’s series and preached a message that had no mention of the Biblical gospel, forgiveness of sins or Jesus Christ.

Oprah Winfrey has been one of the biggest promoters of the New Age movement in the world. Through her talk show, television network and multi-media empire Winfrey, who claims to be a Christian, has launched books such as The Secret into all-time best sellers. The Secret, a book that teaches the ancient witchcraft technique and  “The Law of Attraction” is not in line remotely with Biblical Christianity. Rather than looking to Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God, The Secret teaches that a person has the power to attract success, wealth, romance and all sorts of earthly benefits through their own words and rituals.

The book popularized “The Law of Attraction”, an occult technique that involves visualizing a certain goal, constantly focusing and doing certain practices as if it has already happened and then “attracting” it by your constant thoughts and focus. Its author, Rhonda Byrne writes: “All good things are your birthright! You are the creator of you, and the law of attraction is your magnificent tool to create whatever you want in you life. Welcome to the magic of life, and the magnificence of You! (p. 41)

Of course the Bible says of Jesus Christ: “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:3). Jesus Christ is the Creator. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. A person is blessed through faith in Christ who is the heir of the Universe.

And Jesus teaches that constant focus on material gain should not be a Christian’s life:

Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. – Matthew 6:31-33.

“When you focus your thoughts on something you want, and you hold that focus, you are in that moment summoning what you want with the mightiest power in the Universe. The law of Attraction doesn’t compute “don’t” or “not” or “no,” or any other words of negation, this is what the law of attraction is receiving.” – The Secret, p. 9 .

By the book’s premise, all power comes through the individual. A person can have whatever they want just calling upon “the mightiest power of the Universe.” Anything can be obtained. The Bible does not teach this. In fact it teaches that we cannot obtain anything of true meaning and significance without God:

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. – James 4:8-10.

Notice the difference: the Bible acknowledges that God is the means to eternal satisfaction and true peace. And it also teaches that it is sin that is our main obstacle to God. It takes a desire for forgiveness and faith in God to forgive sin through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that is the message of Christianity.

The Secret reveals its true message later on in the book:

“You are God in a physical body. You are Spirit in the flesh. You are Eternal Life expressing itself as you.” (The Secret, p. 164)

This underscores the message of  The Secret and the New Age: that a person can become God. This is of course complete contradictory to the Bible and is following the deception of Satan.

In our first article on Joel Osteen’s witchcraft, we detailed that the Law of Attraction is precisely what Joel Osteen preaches to his congregation and television audience on a regular basis. This is nothing more than witchcraft being given a “Christian”veneer.

The Bible of course prophesied that as the end times approached there would be an apostasy – a falling away in the church, where pastors and their congregations would abandon Biblical Christianity in favor of their own man-centered, mystical doctrines. 2 Timothy Chapter 4 issues a directive to pastors to stand for the Biblical, Gospel-centered preaching in this age of Apostasy:

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. – 2 Timothy 4:1-4.


Pastors are to preach “the Word” – meaning preach The Bible and not their own ideas or methods, whether it is “in style” or “out of style” or “old-school” to just use solid, biblical preaching. The result of not doing this is that those coming to church will desire pastors who will tell them what they want to hear, rather than preaching what the Word of God has to say to all people. Examining Osteen in the life class, there are numerous examples of sound doctrine being rejected and fable being given instead.

The power is not in the words. It is with God.

Osteen in this portion of the class is using principles from his new book “I Declare.”  What is being preached here is that a person has the power to affect change within themselves and attract success by using the phrase “I am..”

 None of this is in the Bible. Notice there is no mention of God, Jesus Christ or the Gospel in anything that is being preached. Just like T.D. Jakes before him, Osteen is preaching a Christ-less Gospel that is completely centered on worldly, material gain.

According to Osteen speaking negative statements “sets the tone for your life” and attracts bad situations to your life and therefore we should not even make negative statements like “I am depressed” or “I am sad.” This once again, is the Law of Attraction at work.

If a person is facing life problems, Osteen’s solution is to just make positive statements. By simply repeating the phrase “I am confident” the insecure person will be “healed.” Lacking in creativity? Simply say “I am creative.” Beloved, this is not Biblical Christianity. Reciting words in a ritualistic fashion is not what God instructs.

The Bible tells Christians to bring all of our pain, hurt and suffering to God in prayer:

O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together. I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed. This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. – Psalm 34:3-6.

 The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry, and the Lord heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. – Psalm 34:15-19.

 I will call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies. The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid. The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me. In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. – Psalm 18:3-6.

And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. – Psalm 50:15.

The God of the Bible is merciful, compassionate and yearns to hear the cries of His children. Rather than ignoring our pain, the Bible instructs to share the problems and struggles of life with The Lord who hears and answers prayer. Compare this to Osteen who says the solution is all in the words you speak and their power. So by Osteen’s doctrine, the Bible passages above are all going to lead to more problems in your life since they are so “negative” and will “attract” more negativity.

This is not Biblical teaching. It is New Age witchcraft.

The Word of God strongly forbids any use of the occult or dabbling in witchcraft:

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God. – Deuteronomy 18:10-13.

Why would a Christian pastor bring New Age teachings to the church? What spirit is leading a Pastor who is not using the Bible as a guide but instead leaning on the same methods used by witches for centuries? Do not be deceived.

The Bible warns Christians to beware of those who do not teach the Bible.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. – 2 Peter 2:1-3.

Osteen is clearly teaching New Age mysticism over the Bible. There is nothing wrong with a Christian making negative statements. Prayer is to be honest and if a person is feeling pain, insecure, weak or tired of it all, God in Heaven wants to hear all those words. We are to lean on God to save us, not ourselves or magical words. And for the person who is unsaved, salvation starts at the point that a person can say: “I am a sinner. I am guilty before God. I am in violation of God’s commandments.” Without those “negative” words, a person cannot receive free forgiveness that comes through faith in Jesus Christ. When a person cries out to God, rather than “attract” negative situations, they draw closer to the Almighty Creator and His love for them.

Thanks to Oprah Winfrey among others, New Age spirituality has seen an explosion in popularity in the past decade. Pastors should be protecting the flock and warning Christians about these false doctrines, not preaching them.

There is a way to healing in this world. There is joy that can be obtained before Heaven. But it starts with being born again through faith in Jesus Christ:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; – 2 Corinthians 5:17-18.

Once a person is born again, their eternal destiny is secure. The new Christian receives a new spirit (hence the phrase “born again”) that seeks to please God and live for Him. It is in this new birth that there can be a real joy. Because a Christian can look past their earthly condition and rejoice knowing that Heaven and eternal life await. Jesus Christ confirmed this when He said:

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. – John 14:27.

The true peace comes when a person knows they are not facing eternal damnation. This is what Jesus Christ wants to share with the world. And it is a pastor’s job to spread this message so that people will believe. And instead of preaching the word, Osteen is promoting fables.

Jesus Christ, in teaching how to pray, forbade Osteen’s methods: “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.” (Matthew 6:7-8).

In Osteen’s positive declarations, there is no mention of sin, forgiveness, eternal damnation or faith and eternal life. And absolutely no mention of the name Jesus Christ. It is just more declarations of your own greatness. In other words, the individual is the answer to their own problems. The solution and divinity all reside within.

Declaring “bold affirmations” will not get you to Heaven.

As the church moves deeper into the apostasy it is more important than ever for Christians to stand on sound doctrine. There are many souls at stake. Heretical, New Age mystics like Joel Osteen are filling pews every week and have audiences of millions through television and the internet. But he is not preaching the real Gospel. He is preaching a false doctrine that will tickle the ear, but ultimately lead to damnation. Do not be deceived. Pray for these apostate pastors to turn back to God, repent and preach the Bible. And pray for their congregations to use Biblical discernment to see the truth of the Bible over “positive affirmations”, the Law of attraction and other fables.

There is a power in words. But it is in the words of God when they are spoken to point people to Jesus Christ.

—excerpted from http://www.Beginningandtheend.com, Christian News

#0608sva – Are We Too Negative?

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Administrator’s Note:

 I am reprinting (in part) an article that was written by Dave Hunt of the Berean Call Ministry.  He expresses our sentiments.  

We have been asked, “Why are you “judging” others?  “Aren’t you being unkind and not acting like a true Christian?  “How dare you label the Word of Faith Movement a false gospel!”

 Please read the following to see the answer to these questions.  This article was originally published in October 1991 and is still relevant today. 

Berean Call

Critics have long leveled the charge of “divisive” and “negative” against those who would warn the church  of unbiblical teachings and practices.  I prayerfully consider such accusations,  for my heart echoes the same concern.  I long just to preach the gospel and to put behind me the controversy that has become such an unwanted part of my life.

Yet in preaching the pure gospel one must carefully distinguish it from the clever counterfeits all around.

How negligent is would be not to warn the sheep of poisoned pastures and false shepherds who promote lies in the name of truth.  Yet the odds are staggering.  Norman Vincent Peale’s magazines, for example, have 16 million readers monthly, many times our small circulation!  The flesh faints with weariness and frustration.  Then why persist in a task so lonely and burdensome?  Yes, why this burning passion? 

There are, thank God, the many letters of encouragement from those who offer their love, support, and prayers.  There are, too, the earnest “thank you’s”  from the thousands who have been set free from the delusion and bondage of false gospels—from Catholicism and “Christian psychology” to positive/possibility thinking and positive confession.  Yet even without any such encouragement we would be compelled to carry on and would urge you to do the same.

Jeremiah was hated, maligned, imprisoned, and threatened with death because he preached repentance and warned of God’s impending judgment when the “positive prophets” promised peace and prosperity “by the word of the Lord.”  Popular opinion opposed him.  He became so discouraged that he declared that he would no longer speak for God nor even mention His name.  But God’s Word was in his heart and burned like a fire in his bones, so that he had to speak (Jeremiah 20)  Yes, above all, it is God’s Word burning within that compels us. 

Distressed by accusations of “negativism.”  I cry out to God and turn to His unfailing Word.  And what do I find there?  The very message I am constrained to preach!  Christ himself was far more “negative” than I have dared to be.  He continually warned of judgment and hell, exposed sin, demanded repentance, rebuked the religious leaders and indicted them as hypocrites, whited sepulchers, blind leaders of the blind, fools.  Without doubt, He would be banned from most Christian pulpits and media today!

The Sermon on the  Mount is not intended to enhance one’s “self-esteem.”

It encourages one to be poor in spirit, to mourn, to be meek and merciful, and promises that those who are true to God and His Word will be hated, persecuted, and vilified (Matthew 5).  But didn’t Jesus say, “Judge not, that ye be not judged” ?  (Matthew 7:1).  Isn’t it unbiblical, then,  to accuse a Christian leader of any wrong?  On the contrary, Christ could only have meant that we were not to judge motives,  for He clearly told us to judge teaching and lives:  “Beware of false prophets [i.e., teachers]. . . by their fruits [lives] ye shall know them” (vv. 15-20).  Surely He is calling us to judge false doctrine and deeds!

I charge you therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His Kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:1-2

When Paul exhorted Timothy to “preach the word,” he explained that to do so one must “reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine” (2 Timothy 4:2)  Paul warned “vain talkers and deceivers. . .whose mouths must be stopped [from teaching false doctrine].”  He urged Titus to “rebuke them sharply”  (Titus 1:10-13).  He told Timothy, “Them that sin rebuke before all [i.e., publicly], that others also may fear”  (1 Timothy 5:20).  Clearly such reproof requires a judging that does not violate Christ’s prohibition but which, in fact, He commanded and the apostles practiced—a judging which Satan hates because it unmasks his lies.

The International Genocide Treaty signed by President Reagan in November 1988, makes it a crime to try to convert anyone of another religion or to suggest that their beliefs are wrong. It will soon be a serious crime to call homosexuality a sin.  The day is coming  when, to protect  “minority rights, ” we will be prohibited by law from preaching the gospel except in the most “positive” manner. Sadly, much of the evangelical church has already conformed.

It is not enough simply to “preach the truth” when there are lies that counterfeit it so closely that many can’t tell the difference.  It is both logically and scriptural essential to expose and refute today’s pernicious false gospels.  Yet to do so is to be opposed by church leaders and barred from most platforms.

Are church leaders concerned for truth—or with protecting their own interests?

Today’s evangelical leaders shun their duty to oppose heresy.  Many of them promote Catholicism, occultism, and humanistic psychology.  Therefore we, the nobodies, though few heed us, must cry out even louder to warn the sheep of poisoned pastures and false shepherds.  “Positive” or “negative” is not the issue, but rather truth and simple obedience to our Lord and His Word.

#0601sva -What Does Joyce Meyer Teach? Part Two

It is absolutely necessary that we Christians use biblical discernment when supporting any preacher and/or teacher of the gospel.  It is irrelevant whether or not we like the person, think the person is a good speaker, or if the person says things that are uplifting.

Instead, we must be as noble as the Bereans:

  • Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so.”  Acts 17:11
  • “Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sake  that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other”  1 Cor. 4:6

If the Bible says that even Paul was checked by Scripture, and that we are not to exceed Scripture’s teaching, then aren’t we obligated to judge what Mrs. Meyer says against the Word of God?  Of course we are.  It is not enough to just believe what she says, no matter how good the words are or how well she presents them. Let’s not be taken in by a public figure who is confident, assertive, and appears to be biblical.  Our duties as Christians include biblical discernment—-which can only be done by examining what she says and comparing it with Scripture.

Here is some of Joyce Meyer’s teaching (continued from Part One): 

  • If you don’t believe Jesus went to Hell, you cannot be saved:  “His spirit went to Hell because that is where we deserve to go.  There is not hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth.” (The Most Important Decision You’ll Ever Make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, May 1993, page 37).
  • Response: This is an amazingly bad statement on her part.  She is saying that you cannot be saved from your sins unless you believe that Jesus went to Hell where we deserve to go.  This is a modification of the Gospel message that saves, as is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 that states it is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.  Nowhere in Scripture are we told to believe that Jesus suffered for us in Hell or that he went there, where we deserve to go.  This is very wrong and is heretical.


  • We are called little gods:  “I was listening to a set of tapes by one man and he explained it like this. . .this kind of gets the point across. . . he said why do people have such a fit about God calling his creation, his creation, his man not his whole creation, but this man, little gods?  If  he’s God what’s he going to call them but the God kind?  I mean, if you as a human being have a baby you call it a human kind.  If cattle has another cattle they call it cattle kind. I mean what is God supposed to call ‘em?  Doesn’t the Bible say we are created in his image?  Now you understand I am not saying you are god with a capital G.  That is not the issue here so don’t go trying to stone me or yell blasphemy at me. The Bible says right here in John 10:34. . . ‘and Jesus answered is it not written in your law I say we are gods.’”  So men are called God’s by the law. . .” (Joyce Meyer)
  • Response: In the above video clip,  she goes on to quote John 10:34 where Jesus says to the Pharisees “you are gods,” which is a quote from Psalm 82:6 which is an imprecatory Psalm of condemnation for the unrighteous judges.  Psalm 82:7 says, nevertheless you will die like men.  She then turned to Psalm 82 and went through it.  The video stopped so I do not know what she would have said about the next, all important verse.
  • Joyce Meyer said she is not a sinner:  “I am not poor.  I am not miserable and I am not a sinner.  That is a lie from the pit of Hell.  That is what I were and if I still was then Jesus died in vain.  I’m going to tell you something folks.  I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore.  And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it.  But the Bible says that I am righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time.”
  • Response:  Mrs. Meyer needs a lesson in basic Bible. 1 John 1:8 says, “if we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. ”  Notice that John the apostle says “we.”  He is including himself with sinners.  Also Paul said in Romans 7:19-20, “For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish.  but I am doing the very thing I do not wish, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. . . Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?”  Mrs. Meyer fails to recognize her own sinfulness, and so mistakenly denies her own sinfulness.  I can only conclude that this false teaching comes from pride and because it certainly isn’t biblical.
  • The hosts of Hell were literally on Jesus and were laughing:  “They were having the biggest party that had ever been had.  They had my Jesus in the floor and they were standing on his back jumping up and down laughing.”  And he become sin.  Don’t you think that God was pacing, wanting to put a stop to what was going on?  All the hosts of Hell were upon him.  Upon him.  Up on him.  The angels were in agony.  All the creation is groaning.  All the hosts of Hell were upon him.  Up on  him.  They got on him.  They got him down in the floor and got on him and they were laughing and mocking.  Ha ha ha.  You trusted God and look where you ended up.  You thought he’d save you and get you off that cross.  He didn’t, ha ha ha.”  
  • Response:  Where did she get this — In the sacred Book of Joycemeyeronomy?  It is certainly not in the Bible, and yet she has no problem teaching it as an authoritative truth.  Does she not know that the Bible says not to exceed what is written (1 Cor. 4:6)?  Yet, she has done exactly this.  she is in grave error and has violated God’s Word that says that Jesus bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Peter 2:24) and finished the atonement on the cross (1 John 19:30) —not in Hell at the hands of demons!!  There is no way demons were literally standing “on” Jesus.  Meyer is in gross error!!!
  • Joyce Meyer get revelation knowledge:  ” The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this.  Not really, that is why you have got to get it by revelation.  There are no words to explain what I am telling you. I have got to trust God that he is putting into your spirit like he put it into mine.” 
  • Response:  Revelation knowledge?  Is she on par with the apostles who received revelation knowledge from God himself?  Or how about the Old Testament prophets?  Does she, like them, also receive revelation knowledge from God?  If, so how would we know if it were true or not?  The answer is simple:  we test what she says against Scripture, and it is obvious that she is getting a lot of things from somewhere else that contradict the Word of God.

—excerpted from Matt Slick, President of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, CARM

#0600sva – What Does Joyce Meyer Teach? Part One

Joyce Meyer

For the most part, Joyce Meyer preaches a positive, biblical message that is of great value to many people.  We applaud her desire to be biblical, to point women to godly submission and humility, to trusting God, being loving, to have value based in what Christ has done for us, etc.  These are all good.  However, there are some very significant errors that need to be addressed.  Some of them are so bad that she is outside the biblical orthodoxy and must be considered a false teacher.  Let’s take a look at what Joyce Meyer has said.

Following is a list of quotes from Joyce Meyer, along with responses:

  • Jesus stopped being the Son of God:  “He could have helped himself up until the point where he said I commend my spirit into your hands, at that point he couldn’t do nothing for himself anymore.  He had become sin, he was no longer the Son of God.  He was sin.  
  • Response:  This is heresy.  Jesus did not ever stop becoming the Son of God.  Essentially what she is saying is that Jesus stopped being divine, the eternal Son, second person of the Trinity.  This is an attack on the very nature of Christ and it is a dangerous false teaching.  Joyce Meyer needs to repent and retract this statement.  There is no place in Scripture that says Jesus stopped being the Son of God.  She’s adding to the Word of God and placing in the hearts and minds of listeners false doctrine.
  • Jesus was born again:  “The minute that blood sacrifice was accepted Jesus was the first human being that was ever born again.”
  • Response:   Being born again means to be saved from the wrath of God for a person’s sins (Eph. 2:1-3), to have a new birth (John 3:3), and  to be regenerated (2 Cor. 5:17).  Mrs. Meyer  is simply wrong biblically.  Why does she teach this?  It can only be because she has bought into many of the errors of the Positive Confession movement where it is sometimes said that Jesus lost his divine nature, went to hell, finished the atonement in hell, and was born again!  This is a serious error since it implies that Jesus needed to be changed…
  • Jesus paid for our sins in hell: “He became our sacrifice and died on the cross.  He did not stay dead, He was in the grave three days.  During that time he entered Hell, where you and I deserve to go (legally) because of our sin, He paid the price there.”  (The Most Important Decision You’ll Ever Make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, May 1993, page 35).
  • Response:  This is blatantly wrong.  Jesus did not pay the price of our redemption in hell.  He paid the price on the cross.  It was finished on the cross when he said, “It is finished” (John 19:30).

Also, consider the following verses:  Col. 1:20  “and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.”

Col. 2:14  “having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it our of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” 

1 Peter 2:24  “and He himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.”

  • Jesus went to hell in our place and was tormented!  “Jesus paid on the cross and went to hell in my place.  Then as God had promised, on the third day Jesus rose from the dead.  The scene in the spirit realm went something like this: God rose up from his throne and said to the demon powers tormenting the sinless son of God, ‘let him go.’  then the resurrection power of God filled his body.  He was resurrected from the dead—the first born again man.” (The Most Important Decision You’ll Ever Make by Joyce Meyer, second printing, May 1993, page 36). 
  • Response:  Where does she get this completely fictitious dialogue between God and the demon powers?  It is made up, not founded in Scripture, and mistakenly assumes that Jesus went to hell, the place of torment and suffering after he died on the cross.  The Bible does not teach any such thing.  However, it does say that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth. (Eph. 4:9) This can mean that Jesus was physically buried, or that Jesus went to Hades to inform those who had already died about who he was and what he did on the cross, or it can be referring to his incarnation as is contrasted with his ascending into heaven.  But there is simply no reason to believe that Jesus suffered in hell and finished the atonement there.  See response on Quote .

—Matt Slick, President of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (CARM)

?#0597sva – Churches Lower Standards To Draw A Crowd?

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I have searched the Internet and looked everywhere I can.  I have watched and listened to commercials to see if I can find one. There just are not any out there.  I cannot find anyone or any business that uses lower standard to bring in business and clients.

I cannot find a dentist or doctor that is offering discounts because he sterilizes his instruments after every third patient.  I have looked for an automobile company that is advertising a lower price because they use lower-quality parts on their brakes.  They just are not out there!

If there is a business in North America that is following the lead of contemporary churches to attract people, I just cannot find one!  Where are they?

In fact, it is just the opposite.  I found the following: Meijer, “higher standards”; Bank of America, ” higher standards”; Ford, “Quality is Job One”, etc. etc.  British Columbia’s Minister of Education, George Abbot, wrote the following:

The plan consists of five key elements: personalized learning for every student; quality teaching and learning, flexibility and choice; higher standards; and learning empowered by technology.

I think if we talked to any company trying to compete in the marketplace, we would find that they are promoting higher standards for their business and top quality products.  It seems that the business world knows that the higher they can keep their standards, the better the  product they will produce, and the more clients and customers they will attract.

The Bible says in Luke 16:8, “For the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.”  Why is that the only place where people seem to want to lower the standard is the church?”

I recently asked this question to a group of young adults, and one young man said, “Because we are wicked flesh.”  What an astute answer!  There is always a battle between  our wicked flesh and the higher standards set forth by the Scripture.

Sadly, many churches are caving in to the desires of fleshly members and lowering their  standards.  The church is the only place where people do not understand that lower standards equal lower quality.  Maybe this is the reason we are so powerless in impacting our communities of Christ.

Now is the time for local churches to begin promoting “higher standards” like the companies listed above.  While doing so, we should also instruct our church family that having higher standards is a good thing.  Higher standards produce better quality.  Everyone in the business world knows this, and we should as well.

Second, when higher standards are promoted, we attract people who are looking for quality.  There are people who are sick and tired of churches that lower their standards, but we are afraid to promote that we have a higher standard.  We should never be ashamed of belonging to a church where one strives for a high standard.  People in our communities will attend churches with higher standards when they understand that higher standards are a good thing, even for churches.

Third, when presented properly, higher standards develop stronger churches.  It is time we begin to explain to our church families the biblical reasons we hold to a higher standard.  When we do that, they will not be tempted to take their families to the churches that are luring them away with worldliness and entertainment.

Satan has used the contemporary church movement to attract people from our churches by lowering their standards in music  preaching and dress.  The philosophy of this movement is that God is not interested in high standards.  They have taken this argument and promoted it so much that people believe it without even thinking it through.

Please consider this carefully.  Not one business would promote lower standards.  They know that lower standards do not stand for high quality, and people want the highest quality they can get.  Neither should the church lower its standards.  We should never let the “children of this world be wiser than the children of light.”

—Dr. Earl Jessup

General Director, Baptist Church Planting Ministry

NOTE FROM ADMINISTRATOR:  This article is very pointed and shows us where many churches have fallen from the gospel and biblical teaching and preaching.  This is very much what Rich Warren’s Purpose Driven philosophy is all about.  Have you looked at your church recently to take an inventory?  Are they trying to draw crowds with entertainment and/or not preaching the entire Word of God?   If so, you may want to seek out a “Bible believing, gospel preaching church”  in your area.

Your glorying is not good.  Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?  Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened.  For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.”  1 Corinthians 5: 6,7

#0592sva – DemonicTeachings from Famous Evangelists


Those that preach the “Prosperity Gospel” are very successful in getting you to send your money to them. They then “brainwash” their followers so they will perpetuate the “giving.”  This insures them million of dollars to spend as they see fit to further their  lavish lifestyles.

Oh, yes,  some of them may drill a water well in Africa or show giving food to the poor on their television programs, but ask yourself, just how much do they take in when they show these poor helpless souls?   They may spend “pennies” (literally) to drill a water well compared to the millions of dollars they take in via their programs.

But the worst part of all is that their teachings are from “demons.”

1 Timothy 4:1-2, “Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared.”   (Holman CSB)

2 Peter 2:1-3, “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.  they will secretly bring in destructive heresies , even denying the Master who bought them and will bring swift destruction on themselves.  Many will follow their unrestrained ways, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.  In their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words.  Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle ,and their destruction does not sleep.” (Holman CSB)

Who are some of these false prophets who are set on exploiting you?  (Word of Faith, i.e. Prosperity Gospel preachers)

Joyce Meyer

Benny Hinn

Kenneth Copeland

Joel Osteen

Paul Crouch- -Trinity Broadcasting Network

Marilyn Hickey and daughter, Sarah

Fred K.C. Price

Rod Parsley

Jesse Duplantis

James Robison


***Note:   These are just a few of the false teachers promoting their wares on television, radio and through their books.  You are actually opening your mind to “teachings from demons” when you continue to view their programs, support their ministries and buy their books.

Many people have been “so taught” from these people that they actually believe and hold to many false beliefs themselves and are totally unaware of it.  When told what the Bible actually says, they become very defensive, argumentative and down right “ugly” in their attitudes toward the Truth and those that preach the truth.

Take a look at the first video and Dr. John MacArthur gives you information on the Prosperity Gospel.

Pastor John MacArthur preaches against the prosperity gospel advocated by various heretics, exposing their teaching as a satanic, false Christianity and false view of God. He calls several out by name, including Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, and Kenneth Copeland, and says he believes that they all hate the true God.

This is an excerpt from John MacArthur’s sermon, “A True Knowledge of the True God.” Used by permission. You can read the transcript, watch, or download the full video here:   http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/…

Then take a look at the second video which shows Jesse Duplantis’ newly acquired lavish home and jets (this is just a small example of how lavish the lifestyles of these individuals can be).

Yes, they earn their money and according to some, they should be able to spend it on what they want.  The problem that they are overlooking is the multi-million dollar salaries and the lavish lifestyles.

The money is coming from viewers who are being “exploited” and taught “doctrines of demons”. . . . not biblical Truth. 

#0591sva – Joyce Meyers’ Wacky Teachings

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Joyce Meyer is admired and followed by millions (especially women).  But how many of these women realize that they are being taught teachings that come directly from the “Occult Metaphsical” realm?

Joyce teaches:

Christ went to Hell to pay our debt

Christ was tortured in Hell by demons

Christ was the first born-again man

Unless you believe Jesus went to Hell in your place you have no hope of going to heaven!


Jesus went to the Cross and “paid our debt in full”!!! He did not need to go to Hell to become a born-again man and fight demons.

Please listen to the following audio clip. You will hear this coming directly from Joyce Meyer herself.  How many of you have watched her on TV and have not seen anything “wrong” with her teaching?

I urge you to get into the Bible and learn the doctrines of historic biblical Christianity and start tuning off teachers like Meyers. If Christians would quit giving money to these Word of Faith teachers they would not be able to live such lavish lifestyles and they would have to go off the air waves.

These Word of Faith teachers are a “blight on Christianity”

#0587sva – Rod Parsley: God Contradicts Him

Rod Parsley

Far from being a force through which we can confess into existence divine health and healing, faith is a channel of living trust between a creature and his Creator.

Think of Job. . .   All Job wanted was to hear from God.  The question that burned within him was, “Why?”  Job got half his wish, for God revealed Himself majestically.  But He did not answer the question why.   Instead, He asked Job a question:  Where were you when the foundations of the earth were laid (Job 38:4)?

In essence, He asked if Job would like to try his hand at running things for a while.  “Say, Job–try creating a lighting bolt.  How about producing even a tiny drop of dew?”  ( Job 38:25, 28).

When you reach the end of this ancient literary masterpiece, you finally understand.  Like a refreshing drink of water on a dry, dusty day, your thirst for answers is quenched:  God is sovereign, and you are not.  In this world you will have trouble (John 16:33).  Disease, decay, disorder, discouragement  and even death are the natural consequences of a fallen world.

In fact, it is the very uncertainty of life that prepares some people to consider their eternal destiny.

Yes, death comes to all of us in this world.  Heartache and suffering naturally accompany a world mired in sin.  But as the Master so eloquently put it in John 16:33, “Take heed I have overcome the world.”  For the child of God, the hope is not perfect health in this lifetime, but a resurrected body in the life to come.  As John the apostle so beautifully put it, “No more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. . . .I am making everything new! (Revelation 21:4-5).  True faith consists not in understanding why but in trusting the Sovereign of our souls despite the fact that we do not understand.

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In full face of biblical evidence to the contrary, Rod Parsley is bent on propagating the error that “faith cannot exist where the will of God is unknown.”

“Beware!” says Parsley, “The Bible says the traditions of men make God’s word void and  ‘of no effect’ (Matthew 15:6).”  Parsley goes on to dogmatically declare, “Healing is not a promise; healing is a fact!  God didn’t promise you anything; He established it by His Word.”  Parsley mocks the very notion of adding “If it be Thy will” to one’s prayers.  Says Parsley, “I used to pray the words ‘if it be Thy will’ for healing before I read and believed God’s Word.  Since I was a good denominational boy, I would get on my knees and pray, ‘O God! If it is Your will. . . ”  Do you know what my doubt-filled prayers produced?”  continues Parsley, “Seven members of my immediately family died within eighteen months while I faithfully (or faithlessly) prayed, ‘If it be Your will. . .?’”

To suggest, as Parsley does, that to pray “Thy will be done” is to succumb to traditions that make God’s Word void and of no effect is a mind-blowing distortion of the words of Jesus Christ.  As documented above, Christ contradicted Parsley in unmistakable prose.  The very prayer He taught His disciples to pray includes the petition, “Thy will be done.”  Not only so, but James warned those who were prone to “boast and brag” that they ought to pray instead, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that” (James 4:15, emphasis added).  John, likewise, humbly acknowledged that our confidence in approaching God is that  “if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us”   (1 John 5:14, emphasis added).

NOTE:   According to Parsley’s theology. . .his own son Austin is plagued by the demon of Asperger’s syndrome and has been denied healing due to doubt or lack of faith.

In view of Parsley’s declaration that “faith cannot exist where the will of God is unknown,”  I humbly confess that I do not presume to fully know the purposes of God in the midst of such tragedies.  Now I see through a glass dimly.  In eternity I will fully understand (1 Corinthians 13:12).

In the epilogue to Job’s spellbinding story, God commands Job’s friends to humbly ask Job for forgiveness and to pray that He will not judge them according to their folly.  Job prayed for his friends and God accepted Job’s prayer.

May those in the Faith movement, by God’s grace, one day soon turn from their foolish notions and place their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor into the hands of a sovereign God.  And when they do, may those whom they have harmed welcome them back with open arms and forgive them–as they too, have been forgiven.

—excepted from Hank Hanegraaff’s book, Christianity in Crisis

#0578sva – The Psychology of Peer Pressure

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As with the altered state of consciousness, peer pressure is a powerful tool in the hands of Word of Faith practitioners.  The pressure to be accepted by peers is so potent that devotees often fake a variety of experiences.  A classic case in point involves a well-known charismatic leader who participated in a Benny Hinn television extravaganza.  Hinn was slaying his subjects in the Spirit when suddenly he moved in this man’s direction.  He stretched forth is hand and shouted,  “In the mighty name of Jesus!”  Immediately the man fell backward into the hands of a designated “catcher.”  Later he confessed that his experience had nothing to do with the power of God.  Peer pressure had caused him to fake his fall.  ironically, when he asked a cameraman to edit out the faked fall, the cameraman merely chuckled and told him it was common for people to fake it.

Like Benny, [Todd] Bentley banks on peer pressure to conform his prospects to predictable patterns.  Tragically, those who fall prey to the pressure are not moved in the least when his deceptions are exposed.  The peer pressure that caused them to participate in the first place often keeps them from acknowledging that they were willing participants in a spiritual lie.

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Bentley carefully crafts his services to enhance the likelihood that participants will cave in to the power of peer pressure.  As noted above, he kicks off his meetings with long periods of repetitious music replete with  mind-numbing lyrics.  On the heels of the music is the time of testimony.  During the testimonies pastors and participants routinely pontificate that they once doubted that God could be involved in such bizarre manifestations, but now they “know” experientially that God often moves in mysterious ways.  The time of testimony is followed by a time of teaching, cleverly designed to pressure people to participate during the “time of ministry.”  During the time of ministry, virtually anything goes.  The peer pressure to participate is so potent that even otherwise discerning Christians end up casting caution to the wind.

—excerpted from  Christianity in Crisis  (Hank Hanegraaff)

Please watch this very short explanation of  “Slain in the Spirt” by Way of The Master Radio:

Administrator’s Note:  In addition to peer pressure, I do believe there are demon spirits involved in the “slaying in the spirit” as testified to in the short video from The Way of the Master Radio (see above).

1 Timothy 4: 1-2 NKJV  “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron” 

Administrator’s Comment: 

Folks, this is a serious matter!  Beware if you are involved in a church or a group of Christians who are participating this this type of “so-called” ministry.  You are playing around with “DECEIVING SPIRITS” AND DOCTRINES OF DEMONS.”


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